Comments on: There’s No Such 24 bit 192 kHz CD Audio in The World! http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/ Mon, 21 May 2012 04:34:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jimmy Auw http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-123754 Jimmy Auw Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:47:35 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-123754 Hi, Indeed, theory and practical in audio sometime become a two different world. What good in the theory, may have poor result in the reality and vice versa. Thanks. Hi,
Indeed, theory and practical in audio sometime become a two different world. What good in the theory, may have poor result in the reality and vice versa.

Thanks.

]]> By: hmmm http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-123753 hmmm Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:54:28 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-123753 your claiming just half true. There is 24/192 recording and that plays with 24/192. if you convert it down ,there is no point to make that quality. The SACD sampling rate is 2822.4 kHz and the resolution is one bit. A stereo SACD recording can stream data at an uncompressed rate of 5.6 Mbps; four times the rate for Red Book CD stereo audio. But the reality is this are DVD-5 , so not CD's. the name can be confusing Super Audio CD. you might mixit with DSD-CD ,which is a variant of the Compact Disc Digital Audio format. The difference with the regular version of CD is that the sound is derived from a DSD master. A DSD-CD however does not achieve the same sound resolution as SACD because the high-resolution DSD sound has to be down-converted to 44.1 kHz, 16-bit PCM in order to be compliant with the 'Red Book' audio CD standard. DSD-CDs are fully compatible with CD. Audio is stored on the disc in Linear PCM format, which is either uncompressed or losslessly compressed with Meridian Lossless Packing. The maximum permissible total bit rate is 9.6 Megabits per second. Channel/resolution combinations that would exceed this need to be compressed. In uncompressed modes, it is possible to get up to 96/16 or 48/24 in 5.1, and 192/24 in stereo. To store 5.1 tracks in 88.2/20, 88.2/24, 96/20 or 96/24 MLP encoding is mandatory. your claiming just half true. There is 24/192 recording and that plays with 24/192. if you convert it down ,there is no point to make that quality. The SACD sampling rate is 2822.4 kHz and the resolution is one bit. A stereo SACD recording can stream data at an uncompressed rate of 5.6 Mbps; four times the rate for Red Book CD stereo audio. But the reality is this are DVD-5 , so not CD’s. the name can be confusing Super Audio CD.

you might mixit with DSD-CD ,which is a variant of the Compact Disc Digital Audio format. The difference with the regular version of CD is that the sound is derived from a DSD master. A DSD-CD however does not achieve the same sound resolution as SACD because the high-resolution DSD sound has to be down-converted to 44.1 kHz, 16-bit PCM in order to be compliant with the ‘Red Book’ audio CD standard. DSD-CDs are fully compatible with CD.
Audio is stored on the disc in Linear PCM format, which is either uncompressed or losslessly compressed with Meridian Lossless Packing. The maximum permissible total bit rate is 9.6 Megabits per second. Channel/resolution combinations that would exceed this need to be compressed. In uncompressed modes, it is possible to get up to 96/16 or 48/24 in 5.1, and 192/24 in stereo. To store 5.1 tracks in 88.2/20, 88.2/24, 96/20 or 96/24 MLP encoding is mandatory.

]]> By: name http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-123437 name Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:55:15 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-123437 the audio quality do not shrink at all. the audio quality do not shrink at all.

]]> By: name http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-123436 name Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:51:21 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-123436 Actually if the 192khz 32 bit audia cd is put into ordinary cd audio player it can play it really well. Even if I put it 8 speakers digitally in my audio files. Actually if the 192khz 32 bit audia cd is put into ordinary cd audio player it can play it really well. Even if I put it 8 speakers digitally in my audio files.

]]> By: Jimmy Auw http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-122404 Jimmy Auw Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:02:13 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-122404 Recording at 24/192 is possible, but you will dither it to 16/44 anyway when burning it to standard Red Book CD Audio. Thanks. Recording at 24/192 is possible, but you will dither it to 16/44 anyway when burning it to standard Red Book CD Audio.

Thanks.

]]> By: Andy http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-122390 Andy Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:04:57 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-122390 Damn, I just bought a new PCI USB 2.0 card for my e-mu to get exactly 24 bit/192khz recording. Maybe I wasted a few bucks. The playback sound is somewhat showing in the higher frequencies. But, that ads a certain hiss thru those freqs as well. Damn, I just bought a new PCI USB 2.0 card for my e-mu to get exactly 24 bit/192khz recording.
Maybe I wasted a few bucks.

The playback sound is somewhat showing in the higher frequencies. But, that ads a certain hiss thru those freqs as well.

]]> By: Paul http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-119790 Paul Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:44:56 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-119790 Keep in mind that the output devices, Op Amps etc., will make a player sound different, be it better or worse, as well. Yes, the DAC will play a part in audio performance but so will the output device(s). For example, I recently replaced the M5238PF op amps in an older 16/44.1 cd player because the sound was just not as warm and involving as my 24/192 dvd/sacd player. To my surprise, putting in Burr Brown OPA2134PA op amps made a significant improvement in the sound quality of the 16/44.1 unit. If there is a difference between the 2 players I can no longer hear it. Just thought I would share my experience. Hopefully it will help others to understand that the DAC is not the only important factor in how your cd player sounds. Keep in mind that the output devices, Op Amps etc., will make a player sound different, be it better or worse, as well.

Yes, the DAC will play a part in audio performance but so will the output device(s).

For example, I recently replaced the M5238PF op amps in an older 16/44.1 cd player because the sound was just not as warm and involving as my 24/192 dvd/sacd player. To my surprise, putting in Burr Brown OPA2134PA op amps made a significant improvement in the sound quality of the 16/44.1 unit. If there is a difference between the 2 players I can no longer hear it.

Just thought I would share my experience. Hopefully it will help others to understand that the DAC is not the only important factor in how your cd player sounds.

]]> By: Jimmy Auw http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-119545 Jimmy Auw Sat, 09 May 2009 10:58:52 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-119545 Hi Alfred, Most likely, newer player will provide "better" sound, especially at first impression, due to newer components. What they decode is basically the same. The different is "who" and "how" they process the sound. Thanks. Hi Alfred,
Most likely, newer player will provide “better” sound, especially at first impression, due to newer components.

What they decode is basically the same. The different is “who” and “how” they process the sound.

Thanks.

]]> By: alfred ez http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-119544 alfred ez Sat, 09 May 2009 08:29:09 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-119544 Hi jimmy, I have been using a 5 bit cd player from revox. Recent swap to a budget sharp dvd player and was taken by surprise by its resolution and body to the sound.Is it true that a dvd player can decode a cd with ease that's why it sounds better. Hi jimmy, I have been using a 5 bit cd player from revox. Recent swap to a budget sharp dvd player and was taken by surprise by its resolution and body to the sound.Is it true that a dvd player can decode a cd with ease that’s why it sounds better.

]]> By: Patrick http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-119439 Patrick Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:27:05 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-119439 When your friend asked you, "which CD Player will suit him to play 24 bit 192 kHz CD Audio," you probably should have just told him a dvd-audio or sacd player. Many people less electronically educated than yourself simply call anything that looks like a CD a "CD." Thanks for spreading the word that the CD format, introduced nearly 30 years ago, is not capable of as high resolution sound as two formats (dvd-a & sacd) introduced 8 years ago. 24 bit/192 kHz cards are useless for blu-ray too, right? When your friend asked you, “which CD Player will suit him to play 24 bit 192 kHz CD Audio,” you probably should have just told him a dvd-audio or sacd player. Many people less electronically educated than yourself simply call anything that looks like a CD a “CD.” Thanks for spreading the word that the CD format, introduced nearly 30 years ago, is not capable of as high resolution sound as two formats (dvd-a & sacd) introduced 8 years ago. 24 bit/192 kHz cards are useless for blu-ray too, right?

]]> By: Jimmy Auw http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-119400 Jimmy Auw Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:58:03 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-119400 Hi, There is no such compatible format between your "24/192 recorded CD" and your "24/192 DVD Player". So the CD wont be recognized. We are talking about the format (which is defined as Red Book for CD Audio with 16/44.1 as standard). Anyway, 24/192 in DVD is only for DAC capability. It doesn't reflect the player capability to play 24/192 stream. Even a DVD Video standard doesn't have 24/192 standard. So you want to play 24/192 kHz CD? Thanks. Hi,
There is no such compatible format between your “24/192 recorded CD” and your “24/192 DVD Player”. So the CD wont be recognized. We are talking about the format (which is defined as Red Book for CD Audio with 16/44.1 as standard).

Anyway, 24/192 in DVD is only for DAC capability. It doesn’t reflect the player capability to play 24/192 stream. Even a DVD Video standard doesn’t have 24/192 standard. So you want to play 24/192 kHz CD?

Thanks.

]]> By: heavymetalblues http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-119399 heavymetalblues Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:11:35 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-119399 I don't agree with you. If I just use the CD as a medium to store a recorded wave file that was produced using the 24 bit 192 khz tech, then I can have a cd (playable using a dvd player designed to be capable of playing 24/192) that is 24 bit 192 khz. Although it maybe only hold a few minutes recording due to the large file. Of coz, I doubt any commercial producer would do that, i.e., to sell a cd with only a few minutes 24/192 recording. I don’t agree with you. If I just use the CD as a medium to store a recorded wave file that was produced using the 24 bit 192 khz tech, then I can have a cd (playable using a dvd player designed to be capable of playing 24/192) that is 24 bit 192 khz. Although it maybe only hold a few minutes recording due to the large file. Of coz, I doubt any commercial producer would do that, i.e., to sell a cd with only a few minutes 24/192 recording.

]]> By: Jimmy Auw http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-33147 Jimmy Auw Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:56:35 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-33147 That one is quite rare... I've ever found a website that sells this CD, but forget the name. Sorry. That one is quite rare…
I’ve ever found a website that sells this CD, but forget the name.
Sorry.

]]> By: Tin http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-33093 Tin Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:59:00 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-33093 Hi Jimmy, I can't seem to find this CD any where on the web Burmester Vorfuhrungs CD III Thanks for the help. Hi Jimmy, I can’t seem to find this CD any where on the web

Burmester Vorfuhrungs CD III

Thanks for the help.

]]> By: Jimmy Auw http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-32779 Jimmy Auw Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:07:56 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-32779 Which CD? Most of them available on the online shop... Please search at Google or give me the CD's title and I try to recommend an online store for you. Thanks. Which CD? Most of them available on the online shop…
Please search at Google or give me the CD’s title and I try to recommend an online store for you.
Thanks.

]]> By: Tin http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-32638 Tin Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:39:02 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-32638 Hi Jimmy, do you know where I can pick up the CDs you recommended above as test cds? I can't seem to find them in music stores or even online shops. Thanks for the help. Hi Jimmy, do you know where I can pick up the CDs you recommended above as test cds? I can’t seem to find them in music stores or even online shops. Thanks for the help.

]]> By: Jimmy Auw http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26556 Jimmy Auw Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:20:45 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-26556 HDCD is 20 bit 44.1 kHz. But you need a special HDCD Player to read the 4 bit extras. Otherwise, you only can read 16 bit (it means equal with standar CD Audio). So it's similiar with SACD Hybrid, which you can only read 16 bit 44.1 kHz with typical/standard CD Player. HDCD is 20 bit 44.1 kHz. But you need a special HDCD Player to read the 4 bit extras. Otherwise, you only can read 16 bit (it means equal with standar CD Audio). So it’s similiar with SACD Hybrid, which you can only read 16 bit 44.1 kHz with typical/standard CD Player.

]]> By: budmen http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-26550 budmen Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:22:08 +0000 http://jimmyauw.com/2008/01/17/theres-no-such-24-bit-192-khz-cd-audio-in-the-world/#comment-26550 How about HDCD ? How about HDCD ?

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